from moran@lincoln.midcoast.com Tue Nov 28 21:54:36 2000 eAT3sYG21110 Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:54:51 -0500 Subject: FW: Off Topic tying vise This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C0598D.8EFED4E0 Pat: Regarding rotary vises, I'd like to recommend the old Universal rotary =vise.I got one about 40 years ago when, as a young teenager, my Dad took me =to asportsman show in New York City. We walked out with a fly tying kit =made byUniversal Fly Tying Company. The vise it contained was one of the firsttrue rotary vises - it has a large outer rim allowing for gradual =turning ofthe vise and a small inner spindle that allows you to turn the spindle, =andthereby the vise, between two fingers very rapidly (wonderful for =putting onchenille, tinsel and other body materials). I haven't seen one of thesevises in any store or catalog for years, and I am not even sure thatUniversal Fly Tying Company is still in existence. However, if you =shouldhappen to stumble on one of these vises, I'd recommend you pick one up,particularly as they were really quite inexpensive - especially compared =tosome of the $100+ prices I see for other rotary vises. As luck would have it, just last week, as I was browsing eBay, I saw anauction for any old fly tying vise (the seller didn't know exactly what =hehad for sale), which just so happened to be one of the old Universal =rotaryvises. As you might suspect, I bid on it and won at the whopping price =of$10.50. I've tried to attach to this message a copy of the picture from =theeBay auction so that you'll know what to look for. If that picture =doesn'topen or work, you can do a search on eBay under closed items or closedauctions - the item number was Item #425014268 - in order to see what =that And before anyone gets excited about any commercial use of this forum,please note that, even though I mentioned an eBay auction item, (a) I =wasthe Buyer, not the SELLER, and (b) the auction has already closed. Ed Savage [esavage@parkerduryee.com] -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Off Topic tying vise Unfortunately, Gary passed away earlier this year, so these vises won't = produced anymore. Oregon flyfishing lost a great man when he passed, = lost someone I considered to be a great role model. Robert Clarkecathcreek@hotmail.com From: Dennis Haftel CC: "rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu" Subject: Re: Off Topic tying viseDate: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:05:45 -0700 Pat, I don't know much about the Anvil, but I have a Renzetti Travellerrotary and love it. It's great for wrapping hackle, tinsel, etc., andmaking epoxy flies. I would never go back to a standard vise again. Dennis Pat Tumblin wrote: Sorry for the off topic post, but my knowledge of fly tying =equipment ingeneral and vises in particular is limited. I'm looking at a vise =made theApex. Has any list member had any experience with it? Any comments =onrotary vises, pro or con, are welcomed.Thanks in advance for all your help. Pat from moran@lincoln.midcoast.com Tue Nov 28 21:54:49 2000 eAT3smG21164 Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:55:13 -0500 Subject: RE: Guide spacing This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C0598D.91951020 Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 ---------- Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 6:21 AM Cc: 'RODMAKERS' Yes Peter, I have that copy, and plan to sit down at the drafting =table, anddo a lay out, to try that method. It is a little mind boggling to try =to domentally alone, and the draftsman in me wants to put a pencil to it !There's a great deal to do with geometric progression, and dealing =with aparabola may be right "in there" ! GMA eAT458G23006 Subject: Rattan Handle Question To start with thank you Charlie Curro for the Al Medved rattan handle information on your website. Now.... can anyone give me information on how they "dress" the ends of the handle? Is the rattan just sanded down to meet the cork? I seem to remember that the Smidgen rod that Al had at Grayrock had an NS cap of sorts. Any thoughts would be appreciated. TIADoug Hall from lblan@provide.net Tue Nov 28 22:10:26 2000 eAT4APG23954 Subject: RE: Virus Warning Sean; you seem to have the Navidad worm. Take a look at this url. Anyoneelse that opened the attached file may be infected if you are using anunprotected copy of MS Outlook.http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=98881& Larry Blan -----Original Message----- Moran Subject: guide spacing This the guide spacing chart that Dawn Holbrook used in the many years ofrodmaking and teaching that he did. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from Troutgetter@aol.com Tue Nov 28 22:12:36 2000 eAT4CZG24553 Subject: Re: Hot Press node straightener rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu Chris, With the lever attached and the mechanical dinosaur teeth and the tank and gage set up below the table top, I'd say it was something the little woman thought up to help remind you it's time to take out the trash.evil looking, but yet somehow, intriguing...Mike from toe_knee@sprynet.com Tue Nov 28 23:00:27 2000 eAT50MG02141 Subject: Re: Snake Guides This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0597E.28678C40 I am just curious as to way would anyone use N/S wire for snakes? Upstream Always, Tim DoughtyRodmaker from toe_knee@sprynet.com Tue Nov 28 23:01:19 2000 eAT51GG02490 Subject: RE: Guide spacing This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C0597E.29E070A0 Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningI am just curious as to way would anyone use N/S wire for snakes? Upstream Always, Tim DoughtyRodmaker from seanmcs@ar.com.au Tue Nov 28 23:14:50 2000 eAT5EkG05394 Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:20:12 +1100 Subject: Re: Virus Warning Larry: This is a different Sean. I saved the Navidad file and afteryour message trashed it and emptied the trash. This in an apple-macenvironment. Any thoughts on the outlook. If a Navidad message comes upon this message, then there may be a problem! Thanks. Sean Larry Blan wrote: Sean; you seem to have the Navidad worm. Take a look at this url. Anyoneelse that opened the attached file may be infected if you are using anunprotected copy of MS Outlook.http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=98881& Larry Blan -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu MoranSent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 10:55 PM Subject: guide spacing This the guide spacing chart that Dawn Holbrook used in the many years ofrodmaking and teaching that he did. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from anglport@con2.com Tue Nov 28 23:17:03 2000 eAT5H2G05767 Subject: Another very unfortunate situation(VIRUS) All,We got us another virus. It's the Navidad and it's coming in as anattachment from AT LEAST Karen and Sean Moran andDaryl Humphrey Don't open their attachments and watch out for others; it's sure to be ageneral pain.Art from kenmannjr@netzero.net Tue Nov 28 23:22:00 2000 eAT5LxG06333 (HELO kenmann) (4.47.2.213) Subject: guide spacing This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C05998.AAEC7C60 This the guide spacing chart that Dawn Holbrook used in the many years =of rodmaking and teaching that he did. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79> from kenmannjr@netzero.net Tue Nov 28 23:28:212000 eAT5SKG07437 (HELO kenmann) (4.47.2.213) "Rodmakers Info" Subject: Re: Snake Guides Please be aware that the memo below is being sent with the newest virusattachment!----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Snake Guides I am just curious as to way would anyone use N/S wire for snakes? Upstream Always, Tim DoughtyRodmaker _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html from KeithApril@excite.com Tue Nov 28 23:33:57 2000 eAT5XuG07929 0800 Subject: Moldy culm (long) Hello, I've just gotten around to splitting my first culm of cane and have comeacross a bit of a problem. I was hoping to get some opinions on what you dowhen you encounter a moldy culm? Now, I realize that the answer to thatquestion is "it depends," so let me explain further. I purchased three culms from the Charles Demarest company a little over ayear ago. The culms shipped in two pieces each. When they arrived, Idiscovered that one of the upper culm sections had been crushed and split atone end. I assumed that UPS did it, since the cardboard box they shipped inwas damaged also. I decided to let it go, as I was going to need a practiceculm anyway, and it seemed like the culm was still usable. I proceded to put drying splits (ala Garrison, one node up) in the culms andstored them in a dry place in my house until I got around to using them. Acouple of months later I ended up extending the original drying split thefull length of the culm after seeing it recommended in the Maurer book aswell as on the list. That's when I noticed a black powdery mold in twoadjacent internodal cells. The moldy culm coincidentally also happens to bethe lower half to the crushed culm. I don't recall my reaction when I initially saw this mold, but it wasprobably along the lines of "well, it only seems to be on the inner surfaceof the pith, not too deep." The mold would peel off with a thin layer ofpith. So I let it go. Well now, a year later, I have the culm rough split into six sections. Tonight, while working on filing the nodes down, I bent one of the stripsmoderately the wrong way (pith side out) at the moldy section and a sectionof the cane about 1/3 the thickness of the cane snapped fairly cleanly, withthe outer enamel layer staying together. My next thought was that I should probably test some more of this canebefore I waste any more time with it. So I split a couple of thin sectionsout of both culm halfs and gave them the break test. The moldy areas ofthelower section splintered on the enamel side, but about 1/3 to 1/2 of the waythrough they broke cleanly. The upper culm halfs also splintered on theenamel side, but just kind of bent on the pith side. In all of this writing, I've pretty much convinced myself to reject theculm. No sense in wasting any more time with it. So I guess my question is: when you come across a defective culm, do youjust chuck it? I suppose if you are buying in large quantities, one culmisn't a big deal. But it's a little disappointing to have to reject one ifyou only purchase three culms. In all of your dealings with Demarest, hasanyone ever asked for and received a replacement for a defective culm? Irealize at this point it has been over a year now since I bought it, andthere isn't any warantee. Just wondering what other people's experiencesare. Apologies for the length. Thanks in advance. Keith _______________________________________________________Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internethttp://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html from paul.blakley@ntlworld.com Wed Nov 29 01:29:25 2000 eAT7TOG24674 Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:29:25 +0000 Subject: Re: Snake Guides-VIRUS WARNING LIST MEMBERS Daryl,The attachment as posted to rodmakers is VIRUS INFECTED DO NOTOPEN..Paul Daryl Humphrey wrote: I am just curious as to way would anyone use N/S wire for snakes? Upstream Always, Tim DoughtyRodmaker ------------------------------------------------------------------------Name: Navidad.exeNavidad.exe Type: Download File (application/x- msdownload)Encoding: base64 from rkrees@mcn.net Wed Nov 29 06:55:39 2000 eATCtcG15666 0700 Subject: Navidad Virus This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C059C9.28DF5F40 I received a attachment with the virus Navidad from two members of this =list . Please watch out for this and do not run the attachment! You may =go this site for more information. Thanks and have a great day! =http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=3D98881& Ronnie ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C059C9.28DF5F40 I received a attachment with the virus Navidad from two members of = . Please watch out for this and do not run the attachment! You may go = vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=3D98881&Ronnie ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C059C9.28DF5F40-- from owen@davies.mv.com Wed Nov 29 07:08:56 2000 eATD8tG16346 Subject: VIRUS WARNING (Re: Off Topic tying vise) The attachment to your message was titled navidad.exe,which sure sounds like the virus which has been goingaround recently. Best check your machine. Everyoneelse, CAUTION! Owen Davies from tom@cet-inc.com Wed Nov 29 07:10:32 2000 eATDAVG16378 0000 ) Subject: RE: Hot Press node straightener I got the Arend Mill in July of 1999. As part of the deal, Lori Lohman sentalong the heat press straightner. It has heavy steel platens with stripheaters attached, and hydraulic cylinders to "press" the strips between theheated platens. The platens are notched to accept square and beveled strips.Joe Byrd and Richard Tyree stopped to see the thing when they were up forthe PA Gathering last September. As far as I know, Lori's father John did not use the press. It would takesome tinkering to get going but I think it is pretty much all there. I haveit because she needed it out of the basement of the rod builder's widow whoowned the equipment before her father. The deal is that if I or anyone elseget the thing going and use it, some small payment is due Lori to recoupsome of her costs to remove and ship the thing. I haven't had the time tofiddle with the press and don't have a strong desire in using it because Idon't have much trouble with straightening strips. If anyone is interested,contact me off list. Aside from the press, the Arend mill is a wonderfull piece of machinery (all2,600 pounds of it). I have been having a great time using it and am verypleased with the strips it produces. Tom -----Original Message----- Fuhrman Subject: Re: Hot Press node straightener from BambooRods@aol.com Wed Nov 29 07:58:36 2000 eATDwVG17027 Nov 2000 08:58:11 -0500 Subject: Rattan Handle URL His web address is www.curro.comGo thru the Southern 2000 section about three pages in is a link.Doug from nobler@satx.rr.com Wed Nov 29 08:07:18 2000 [24.93.35.211] (may be forged)) eATE7IG17154 Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:07:17 -0600 Subject: Re: Guide spacing What is this "Navidad" ? I can't open it, and never heard of it ! GMA from Canerods@aol.com Wed Nov 29 09:06:26 2000 eATF6PG19861 Subject: Followup on my "mystery rod" All, Some months back I asked for help ID'ing a "mystery rod" that I also took to the Great Western Gathering in Bishop. It's a hollow-built 9' rod that's still shown on my website. No one was sure of it's origins. I also asked Michael Sinclair and a 2nd Divine rod collector if it was a Divine. Nope. (OBTW, Michael Sinclair has purchased the rights to the Divine Rod Company and intends to produce Divine rods again.) Recently I saw on Denver Dave's rod list page an Edwards "F" with the exact same reelseat. So I now believe there's a good chance that my mystry rodhas some connection with Edwards too. Did any of the Edwards companies ever make hollow-built rods? Don Burns from Canerods@aol.com Wed Nov 29 09:06:28 2000 eATF6SG19865 Subject: Barney & Barney rod? All, Has anyone heard of a rod company named Barney & Barney? Not Barney & Berry. I ended up biding on and winning a rod with this name. Or so the seller says - I haven't received the rod yet. Sellers description included this: "This is a Barney and Barney 9 foot 3 piece bamboo fly rod with an extra tip. This rod includes a bamboo case for the tip sections-- hardware is nickle silver (this is very special and rare).This rod was made and sold by Witte Hardware Co. St. Louis Mo. No. 242-9 (this is what is written above the cork)." Thanks all. Don Burns from KeithApril@excite.com Wed Nov 29 09:40:11 2000 eATFeAG20884 0800 Subject: Test message - please ignore Test message _______________________________________________________Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internethttp://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html from rodsupstream@exploremaine.com Wed Nov 29 09:40:45 2000 eATFehG20911 0500 Subject: VIRUS ALERT: W32.NAVIDAD.EXE This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C059F1.C55BEBE0 ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C059F1.C5638D00 Just to let the members know that not only does it infect your computer butwill send out e-mail automatically. The fix is to go to Symantec or whatever virus protect program site you are using and download the repair sothat you can use you windows exe. pathways. After that download updatedvirus list so you can do scan. Virus scan will allow you to detect anddelete W32.NAVIDAD.EXE from your computer. I also cleaned out all of myoutlook folders draft, inbox , and any folder that had to do with e-mail. Hope this is of some help. P.S. Should of known better as list doesn'tusually allow attachments. Upstream Always, Tim DoughtyRodmaker from flytyr@southshore.com Wed Nov 29 09:58:45 2000 eATFwiG21459 0600 Subject: Virus The snake guide message and the guide spacingmessage have a virus. Don't open the ex file belowthe message. These are being sent without theknowledge of the sender. We are getting the samecrap on two other lists.Tony FlyTyr@southshore.com from flytyr@southshore.com Wed Nov 29 10:01:04 2000 eATG13G21572 0600 Subject: Virus This is the info I got on checking and cleaning itup. Here is a site describing your apparentinfection.... http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wscript.kakworm.html Instructions for removal of the virus can be foundat.... http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2000020318071406 The Microsoft patch for preventing infection inthe future can be foundat.... http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms99-032.asp This virus replicates itself without you knowingit. You did nothingintentional. I was infected by this virus at onetime and with a littletime and preventive maintenance you can avoid itin the future. Good luckand hang in there. I would love to you to cleanthis up and continue yourvaluable contributions to the list. from flytyr@southshore.com Wed Nov 29 10:22:05 2000 eATGM4G22169 0600 Subject: Virus Here is more info\. A short note about the recent viruses to hit thelist. First and foremost...you should all know not toever open attacheddocuments, especially those ending in unfamiliarsuffixes...like. That particular document(attached to a messagetitled fwd: Joke) is a version of the infamousLoveletter virus andhas been circulating the globe since last spring.It effects onlyusers of MS Outlook. For more info on its symptomsand cures visit... The other virus to strike the list was actuallyembedded in a message from Kevin and was a Kakworm version. Again itonly affects users ofMS Outlook. Now does that give anyone a hint?There is more info,fixes and patches available at... Viruses are mean and spiteful, but not necessarilylife threatening!Just follow a few basic and common sense rules andyou can immunizeyourself. NEVER open unsolicitedattachments...ALWAYS use virusprotection on your computers...and bookmark you want to livedangerously use Outlook as your e-mailclient...*VBG*. Of course youcould always get a Mac and not have to worry aboutthisfoolishness...;^) One final note...the senders of these viruses areUNAWARE that theyare doing so and are not to blame. Now a big batchof you havealready bailed on the list in panic...I hope therest of you willhang around and stick it out. \. from earsdws@duke.edu Wed Nov 29 10:32:57 2000 eATGWvG22526 LAA14311; Organization: Hearing Research Laboratories, Duke University Medical Center Subject: Navidad virus. Rodmakers posting this morning, the McAfee website has detailedstep-by- step information and/or a simple utility (undo.reg) for cleaningthe virus from your system (i.e., you don't need a full McAfee system).If anyone needs this utility I can also email or post it. Good luck and bah humbug (if we can expect more of these xmasgreetings), dws. http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=98881&www.mcafee.com from Patrick.Coffey@PSS.Boeing.com Wed Nov 29 11:09:56 2000 eATH9tG26321 LAA02960 (5.5.2650.21) rodmakers@mail.wustl.edu, "'tom@cet-inc.com'" Subject: RE: Hot Press node straightener Ray Gould has got a good design for a node and strip pressing jig in his book.His strips come out real straight and its fairly inexpensive and quick to build. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 ---------- Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 5:18 AM rodmakers@mail.wustl.eduSubject: RE: Hot Press node straightener I got the Arend Mill in July of 1999. As part of the deal, Lori Lohman sentalong the heat press straightner. It has heavy steel platens with stripheaters attached, and hydraulic cylinders to "press" the strips betweentheheated platens. The platens are notched to accept square and beveledstrips.Joe Byrd and Richard Tyree stopped to see the thing when they were up forthe PA Gathering last September. As far as I know, Lori's father John did not use the press. It would takesome tinkering to get going but I think it is pretty much all there. I haveit because she needed it out of the basement of the rod builder's widowwhoowned the equipment before her father. The deal is that if I or anyone elseget the thing going and use it, some small payment is due Lori to recoupsome of her costs to remove and ship the thing. I haven't had the time tofiddle with the press and don't have a strong desire in using it because Idon't have much trouble with straightening strips. If anyone is interested,contact me off list. Aside from the press, the Arend mill is a wonderfull piece of machinery (all2,600 pounds of it). I have been having a great time using it and am verypleased with the strips it produces. Tom -----Original Message-----From: owner-rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu FuhrmanSent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Hot Press node straightener from tjtrodmaker@yahoo.com Wed Nov 29 11:45:50 2000 eATHjnG29384 09:45:50 PST Subject: Re: Snake Guides-VIRUS WARNING LIST MEMBERS tim, feel free to share the information you have withus. it sounds like you don't like stainless. you haveme on the edge of my seat :-) timothy (the other one) I am just curious as to way would anyone use N/Swire for snakes? Upstream Always, Tim DoughtyRodmaker ====="Gooda' morning mister bear" __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.http://shopping.yahoo.com/ from Canerods@aol.com Wed Nov 29 12:08:13 2000 eATI8CG00534 Subject: Re: Another very unfortunate situation(VIRUS) This is why I block ALL attachments to this AOL address. I use a second address if someone needs to send me an attachment. Don Burns from rsgould@cmc.net Wed Nov 29 12:10:51 2000 eATIAoG00723 Subject: Re: Rattan Handle Question Organization: GOULD Hi Doug,I'm curious about that too. I do have one 6 ft x 1 piece cane rod having arattan foregrip and a rattan handle. Although there is no makers name it islight weight and made with spinning guides and german silver or nickelsilver fittings. The way the rattan is finished on the foregrip is that therattan is under the nickel silver reel seat on the lower end and wrappedover with thread forming the winding check at the upper end. On the handlethe rattan is under the reel seat at the upper end and under a nickel silverbutt cap at the lower end. Other rattan handles I've seen are anchored ateither end by placing the end of the rattan in a slot in the handle's wood.I've tried making rattan handles and find it is a tough job to keep therattan evenly spaced.Ray----- Original Message ----- Subject: Rattan Handle Question To start with thank you Charlie Curro for the Al Medved rattan handleinformation on your website. Now.... can anyone give me information onhowthey "dress" the ends of the handle? Is the rattan just sanded down tomeetthe cork? I seem to remember that the Smidgen rod that Al had atGrayrockhad an NS cap of sorts. Any thoughts would be appreciated. TIADoug Hall from rmoon@ida.net Wed Nov 29 12:51:48 2000 eATIplG02565 Subject: Re: guide spacing I'm outa here back someday Ralph Moon Ken Mann wrote: This the guide spacing chart that Dawn Holbrook used in the many years ofrodmaking and teaching that he did. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 ------------------------------------------------------------------------Name: Navidad.exeNavidad.exe Type: unspecified type (application/octet- stream)Encoding: base64 from brookie@frii.com Wed Nov 29 13:10:24 2000 eATJANG03924 Subject: How to avoid this virus : unsubbing Could someone pls send me (in pvt email) the unsubbing (to Rodmakers listserv) instructions ? of course, when you need them, you find you did NOT file them ! best for me to drop off until this stops, even though I have Eudora email and NEVER open ANY .exe file, this is too unnerving. When I checked the attachment area where these things go, sure enough, there were at least 8 or 9 of this navidad.exe things. Time for me to bail,thanks in advance,sue from Rcolo@ix.netcom.com Wed Nov 29 13:46:48 2000 eATJkmG05329 Subject: Re: Virus Tony, As long as I am using Netscape am I ok....thanks in advance,Rich Colo Tony Spezio wrote: This is the info I got on checking and cleaning itup. Here is a site describing your apparentinfection.... http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wscript.kakworm.html Instructions for removal of the virus can be foundat.... http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2000020318071406 The Microsoft patch for preventing infection inthe future can be foundat.... http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms99-032.asp This virus replicates itself without you knowingit. You did nothingintentional. I was infected by this virus at onetime and with a littletime and preventive maintenance you can avoid itin the future. Good luckand hang in there. I would love to you to cleanthis up and continue yourvaluable contributions to the list. from Patrick.Coffey@PSS.Boeing.com Wed Nov 29 14:59:52 2000 eATKxpG08505 MAA12555 (5.5.2650.21) Subject: virus some body is sending a post of mine from a couple of months ago, with avirus attached. I have had nothing to do with it and just got the heads up onit myself. Patrick W. CoffeyAOG Incident Repair PlanningPhone: 425-234-2901Fax: 425-237-0083M-2112 M/C 61-79 from darrell@rockclimbing.org Wed Nov 29 15:59:39 2000 eATLxcG11548 sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) Subject: Navidad - bah, humbug... List, This is another reminder that you should not blindly open any file that endswith a .EXE or .COM as those are executable files that can be viruses. Generally .JPG .JPEG .GIF are pictures and are safe. I ALWAYS delete the .exe and .com files without opening unless I know thesender. AND, even if I know the sender, I quiz them about what's in thefile... so, BEWARE... Darrellwww.vfish.net from owen@davies.mv.com Wed Nov 29 18:07:24 2000 eAU07NG15333 Subject: Slightly OT questions about the rod market Browsing among the archives, I came across athread speculating that having some major rodcompany come out with a line of cheap bamboorods might stimulate the market for high-endwands. Not sure about that, but it brought upa few questions for me: Does anyone know how many flyrods are sold inthis country each year? How about the number of bamboo flyrods? How many professional and semi-professionalbamboo rod makers are there in the US? Anybody really think putting out a line of, say, $400bamboo flyrods would go over? That it would goover well enough to improve the market for craftsmanbamboo rods? It all seems worth a moment's speculation, ifnothing more. Owen Davies from nobler@satx.rr.com Wed Nov 29 19:14:25 2000 eAU1EPG16664 Subject: Re: Guide spacing Sorry, I didn't write that message Patrick ! GMA from HalManas@aol.com Wed Nov 29 20:05:11 2000 eAU25AG17596 Subject: Virus --part1_a8.db09f8a.27570f56_boundary All,I got the virus last night and did not know what to do. My computer simply would not open anything so I had to go to the restore disk. What a pain! I've got most of my programs back but not my files. Avoid this thing unless you have first read the info on how to cope with it. Hal --part1_a8.db09f8a.27570f56_boundary All, thing unless you have first read the info on how to cope with it. --part1_a8.db09f8a.27570f56_boundary-- from lblove@omniglobal.net Wed Nov 29 20:10:24 2000 eAU2ANG17826 Subject: RE: Navidad - bah, humbug... Howdy all,I would not suggest opening any attachments, post them on a web page... there is a new "method" of hiding the "true" extension name fromthe end user. char.jpg.exe the exe will not show up... also the "vb" worms like kak can only be sent using "enriched text"or "html" email. It can not be sent thru ascii format.if you use netscape you can be an unwhitting carrier, and notcatch the bug, but spread it to a ms user who then will get infected. also beware of .xls attachments as they can hide macro worms. most of us have been down this road before a time or two(last easter). And reformating your drive is a real drag, I had some thing hit my machinelast week that wiped out all my excel files(most of my taper archive)and enbedded itself in my out look address book. this is enough to make a person switch to linux :0) ps I feel left out on this round of attachments I did not recievethe posts in question, poor me :o( -----Original Message----- Subject: Navidad - bah, humbug... List, This is another reminder that you should not blindly open any file that endswith a .EXE or .COM as those are executable files that can be viruses. Generally .JPG .JPEG .GIF are pictures and are safe. I ALWAYS delete the .exe and .com files without opening unless I know thesender. AND, even if I know the sender, I quiz them about what's in thefile... so, BEWARE... Darrellwww.vfish.net from martinj@aa.net Wed Nov 29 21:02:17 2000 eAU32GG18946 Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:02:16 -0800 Subject: RE: Moldy culm (long) If the mold is on the pith and you plane off all the pith then I would useit. If it goes deeper into the cane then I would probably reject it or justpractice with it. Pick the worst section and bend until it breaks. This willaccomplish two things. #1 it will tell you if the cane is any good by how itbreaks and #2, it will remove the worst cane from the equation as it will bebroken in half. I have done this and found that if the mold goes deep thenthe cane is really compromised but if it is just on the pith then it is(usually) OK.I had a several lengths of cane with mold on it. The next batch I get I amgoing to run a split all the way down the culm AND knock out all the dams topromote air flow. I might even blow a mist mixed of water mixed with bleachdown the tubes first just to kill any active mold. Martin Jensen -----Original Message----- Subject: Moldy culm (long) Hello, I've just gotten around to splitting my first culm of cane and have comeacross a bit of a problem. I was hoping to get some opinions on what you dowhen you encounter a moldy culm? Now, I realize that the answer to thatquestion is "it depends," so let me explain further. I purchased three culms from the Charles Demarest company a little over ayear ago. The culms shipped in two pieces each. When they arrived, Idiscovered that one of the upper culm sections had been crushed and split atone end. I assumed that UPS did it, since the cardboard box they shipped inwas damaged also. I decided to let it go, as I was going to need a practiceculm anyway, and it seemed like the culm was still usable. I proceded to put drying splits (ala Garrison, one node up) in the culms andstored them in a dry place in my house until I got around to using them. Acouple of months later I ended up extending the original drying split thefull length of the culm after seeing it recommended in the Maurer book aswell as on the list. That's when I noticed a black powdery mold in twoadjacent internodal cells. The moldy culm coincidentally also happens to bethe lower half to the crushed culm. I don't recall my reaction when I initially saw this mold, but it wasprobably along the lines of "well, it only seems to be on the inner surfaceof the pith, not too deep." The mold would peel off with a thin layer ofpith. So I let it go. Well now, a year later, I have the culm rough split into six sections.Tonight, while working on filing the nodes down, I bent one of the stripsmoderately the wrong way (pith side out) at the moldy section and a sectionof the cane about 1/3 the thickness of the cane snapped fairly cleanly, withthe outer enamel layer staying together. My next thought was that I should probably test some more of this canebefore I waste any more time with it. So I split a couple of thin sectionsout of both culm halfs and gave them the break test. The moldy areas ofthelower section splintered on the enamel side, but about 1/3 to 1/2 of the waythrough they broke cleanly. The upper culm halfs also splintered on theenamel side, but just kind of bent on the pith side. In all of this writing, I've pretty much convinced myself to reject theculm. No sense in wasting any more time with it. So I guess my question is: when you come across a defective culm, do youjust chuck it? I suppose if you are buying in large quantities, one culmisn't a big deal. But it's a little disappointing to have to reject one ifyou only purchase three culms. In all of your dealings with Demarest, hasanyone ever asked for and received a replacement for a defective culm? Irealize at this point it has been over a year now since I bought it, andthere isn't any warantee. Just wondering what other people's experiencesare. Apologies for the length. Thanks in advance. Keith _______________________________________________________Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internethttp://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html from cadams46@juno.com Wed Nov 29 21:29:54 2000 eAU3TrG19582 22:29:18 EST Subject: Virus Question Sorry to bother the list with this but just a quick question. If Ididn't open the attachment and I could find anything on navidad on mycomputer then do I need to do any anti virus percautions? ThanksSincerely,C.R. Adams from BambooRods@aol.com Wed Nov 29 22:04:04 2000 eAU443G20184 Subject: Re: Rattan Handle URL Sorry Guys...should have been: www.curro.netThanks from earsdws@duke.edu Thu Nov 30 07:04:28 2000 eAUD4SG25610 IAA04504; Organization: Hearing Research Laboratories, Duke University Medical Center Subject: Re: Navidad virus. This is a multi-part message in MIME format.-------------- BA6698D981CC6B17D66C746E John,The attached "undo.reg" file is the one I downloaded from McAfee.Simply opening it should fix the register problem (you might have toreboot). The rest of the details on the virus are on the McAfee site.good luck, dws. John E Cole wrote: David I have the virus And my computer will not let me get Mcafee fromthe web. Would appreciate it if you would post the anti-virus solutionThanks John Cole jcole10@juno.com --------------BA6698D981CC6B17D66C746E name="undo.reg" filename="undo.reg" UkVHRURJVDQNCg0KW0hLRVlfQ0xBU1NFU19ST09UXGV4ZWZpbGVcc2hlbGxcb3Blblxjb21tYW5kXQ0KQD0iXCIlMVwiICUqIg0KDQpbSEtFWV9MT0NBTF9NQUNISU5FXFNvZnR3YXJlXENMQVNTRVNcZXhlZmlsZVxzaGVsbFxvcGVuXGNvbW1hbmRdDQpAPSJcIiUxXCIgJSoiDQoNCg==--------------BA6698D981CC6B17D66C746E-- from dickay@alltel.net Thu Nov 30 07:17:51 2000 eAUDHoG25880 srv.alltel.net Thu, 30 Nov 2000 07:17:51 -0600 Subject: Re: Virus Question Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 C.R.Probably not. It would be good if you had a good virus checking program onyour computer that is current and active at all times. There is Norton'sand McAfee's and InouculatIT from Computer Associates Inc. I use theInouculatIT because it is a free download for personal computers fromwww.cai.com. Just look for "downloadables". And then look forInouculatIT. It also has an easy update feature. The company I retired from uses the network version for which they pay a great deal of money. Butit has kept them up and running through several major virus scares. Hopethis helps.Dick & Kathy Fuhrmandickay@alltel.net If people concentrated on the reallyimportant things in life, there'd be ashortage of fishing poles.Doug Larson----- Original Message ----- Subject: Virus Question Sorry to bother the list with this but just a quick question. If Ididn't open the attachment and I could find anything on navidad on mycomputer then do I need to do any anti virus percautions? ThanksSincerely,C.R. Adams from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Nov 30 10:01:46 2000 eAUG1kG00978 Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:01:43 -0800 Subject: Re: Slightly OT questions about the rod market Owen,Someone will certainly point you to a seemingly failedattempt to build quality bamboo rods for about the averageprice or a top name brand graphite rod from a year or twoago. I don't think it's necessary to re-hash the merits ofthat experiment again.There are some members of this list who are much moreinterested in building rods in the vain of the Heddons,Grangers, and Phillipsons than in building in the spirit ofPayne. I'm grateful for them, and try to send them all thebusiness I can.I don't have any hard market data, but my wild guesswould be that less than 10,000 bamboo rods are sold eachyear. (Maybe I read that number on this list at some timein the past?) Again, just a guess, but there are probably40-100 bamboo rodmakers trying to make a living off of theirlabors. Another 2-300 rodmakers are like me, selling 2- 20rods per year.I can't see how anyone could profit making rods for $400each. At a decent wage/benefit/tax rate, that allows foronly about 10 hours of labor per rod, plus $100 componentscost. I know, components can be bought for less than $100per rod, but would you want a bamboo rod with a $5 aluminumreel seat?I wonder if the production capabilities of today'sbamboo rodmakers could really handle a major increase indemand. I doubt it. I know I'm building all I want to, andhave no real trouble getting them out on the water. Harry Owen Davies wrote: --"Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing..." Harry Boydhttp://HarryBoydbamboorods.eboard.com/ from owen@davies.mv.com Thu Nov 30 10:17:06 2000 eAUGH5G01551 Subject: Re: Slightly OT questions about the rod market Harry Boyd wrote: Someone will certainly point you to a seemingly failedattempt to build quality bamboo rods ... Thanks, Harry, and thanks also to the several list memberswho wrote to me privately. Maybe I should note that I have no intention of trying toget into the discount bamboo biz. Anyone who has beenhere longer than the few weeks I've been on the list (sincehaving to drop it several years ago for lack of time) willinstantly have recognized the obvious: I'm an absolutebeginner; haven't even built my planing form yet, muchless a rod. However, I'm also a tired, old freelance writer,and the missing information in the early thread on thistopic set off my curiosity reflex. Back to rod building (or, in my case, to fantasizing aboutrod building.) Owen Davies from cathcreek@hotmail.com Thu Nov 30 11:30:58 2000 eAUHUvG05136 Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:30:54 -0800 30 Nov 2000 17:30:54 GMT Subject: Re: Slightly OT questions about the rod market FILETIME=[4AB3E430:01C05AF3] I think Harry that you hit this right on the head, and I would probably estimate fewer rods and rodmakers who make a living at this. I just hope to offset my costs and maybe afford to invest in better tools, which I would guess is the case with a lot of folks. Side note, and the Reverend will have to forgive my pride here. I just heard back that one of my rods caught an 8 lb bluefish off the flats in Florida. Never having intended for the rod to be a salt water rod, and never having any of my rods used in the salt, I am thrilled. Sorry for being off the subject. Rob "proud parent" Clarke From: Harry Boyd CC: "'rodmakers'" Subject: Re: Slightly OT questions about the rod marketDate: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:00:38 -0600 Owen,Someone will certainly point you to a seemingly failedattempt to build quality bamboo rods for about the averageprice or a top name brand graphite rod from a year or twoago. I don't think it's necessary to re-hash the merits ofthat experiment again. _____________________________________________________________________________________Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :http://explorer.msn.com from cmj@post11.tele.dk Thu Nov 30 13:03:46 2000 eAUJ3iG08832 +0100 Subject: Test - ignore This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C05B09.70CD2620 test - ignore ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C05B09.70CD2620 test - =ignore ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C05B09.70CD2620-- from DEMARALON@aol.com Thu Nov 30 13:50:56 2000 eAUJotG10354 Subject: Re: Moldy culm (long) Keith Brewster, We feel it is incumbent upon us to reply to the list regarding your recent letter. #1. If UPS has damaged merchandise the package should be refused; itwould be returned to the sender by UPS and the sender would place a claim with them. At the same time, as the shipper, we would replace the order. In the alternative if we had been notified the matter would have been handled by us. #2. Any time a customer has complained about a defective culm/s it hasbeen our long established practice to immediately replace such. Of course we have to know about the problem in order to correct it. We would appreciate it if you would contact us off the list in order to rectify this situation. Harold and Eileen Demarest, Charles H. Demarest, Inc. from pumpkin10@prodigy.net Thu Nov 30 16:15:04 2000 eAUMF3G15686 eAUMF0l220810 Subject: Moldy culm This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C05AED.F1506260 To ListI think that is a great offer, that the Demarest"s are concerned =and would like to help in some way,New Rodmaker Tony Larson ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C05AED.F1506260 To List = a great offer, that the Demarest"s are concerned and would like to help = way, Larson ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C05AED.F1506260-- from mcdowellc@lanecc.edu Thu Nov 30 17:00:44 2000 eAUN0hG17389 with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:03:16 -0800 Subject: Re: Slightly OT questions about the rod market eAUN0iG17390 How much did a middle of the road Granger cost in the 30's or W&M Grangerin the 40's in today's dollars? Chrismcdowellc@lanecc.edu from fbcwin@3g.quik.com Thu Nov 30 18:12:23 2000 eB10CMG18891 Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:12:21 -0800 Subject: Re: Moldy culm Tony,I think you have just figured out why most rod makersconsidered the Demarests to be their friends, as well astrusted suppliers. You will not find any more classyfolks. Anywhere. Harry DARLENE URBANSKI wrote: To List I think that is a great offer, that theDemarest"s are concerned and would like to help in someway, New Rodmaker Tony Larson --Harry Boydhttp://HarryBoydbamboorods.eboard.com/ from jcbyrd@direct-pest.com Thu Nov 30 18:31:41 2000 eB10VeG19379 Subject: Re: Moldy culm Tony,I think you have just figured out why most rod makersconsidered the Demarests to be their friends, as well astrusted suppliers. You will not find any more classyfolks. Anywhere. Harry I would agree with you Harry. When I bought my first bundle Harold andEileen were so kind and patient. Heck, Eileen even gave me a name changefree of charge. hahahahaha. Eileen, if you are reading this....hi from Jack Byron Joe Byrd from cadams46@juno.com Thu Nov 30 19:05:41 2000 eB115eG20021 20:05:03 EST Subject: Re: Virus Question Thanks to everyone who replied to my question. I always appreciate itwhen someone takes time out of their day to answer a question of mine asI am sure most of the people on the list do. Its always a question as toweather or not to post a thanks as some people get pretty touchy aboutusing to much bandwidth. So thanks.Sincerley,C.R. Adams from rkrees@mcn.net Thu Nov 30 19:50:16 2000 eB11oFG20713 Subject: RE: Moldy Culm This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C05AFE.90310AA0 I too received a bundle of culms from Demarests ant the freight Yellow =in this case had damaged some of the culms. I had the freight company =note this on the shipping manifest and accepted the bundle. There was =also some black mold in these culms which I sprayed with a light mist of =lemon juice. I would have to say that this is the finest Bamboo I have =received and the smashed culms in my mind will turn out just fine, the =lemon stopped the mold and to this date all is well. These are some of =the finest folks in the business and I have no doubt that all would have =been replaced if I had made a claim. I just look on the damaged culms as =a push for me to try noddles. You might try the lemon next time! Ron ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C05AFE.90310AA0 I too received a bundle of culms from Demarests ant the freight = this case had damaged some of the culms. I had the freight company note = the shipping manifest and accepted the bundle. There was also some black = these culms which I sprayed with a light mist of lemon juice. I would = say that this is the finest Bamboo I have received and the smashed culms = mind will turn out just fine, the lemon stopped the mold and to this = well. These are some of the finest folks in the business and I have no = that all would have been replaced if I had made a claim. I just look on = damaged culms as a push for me to try noddles. You might try the lemon = time!Ron ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C05AFE.90310AA0-- from HomeyDKlown@att.net Thu Nov 30 20:54:35 2000 eB12sYG21731 ;Fri, 1 Dec 2000 02:54:31 +0000 Subject: Re: Moldy Culm Ron, The lemon is a good idea. Fungi generally don't like very low pH. Ipersonally have never had any trouble with cane from the Demarests, butit's something to keep in mind (the acid, that is). Dennis PS: You might also try white vinegar. The low pH is the key though. Ronnie L. Rees wrote: I too received a bundle of culms from Demarests ant the freight Yellowin this case had damaged some of the culms. I had the freight companynote this on the shipping manifest and accepted the bundle. There wasalso some black mold in these culms which I sprayed with a light mistof lemon juice. I would have to say that this is the finest Bamboo Ihave received and the smashed culms in my mind will turn out justfine, the lemon stopped the mold and to this date all is well. Theseare some of the finest folks in the business and I have no doubt thatall would have been replaced if I had made a claim. I just look on thedamaged culms as a push for me to try noddles. You might try the lemonnext time! Ron from saunder@worldnet.att.net Thu Nov 30 21:04:03 2000 eB1342G21910 Subject: router beveler hi folks, i'm a novice rodbuilder who with the help of many of you havejust completed my first rod, and am very pleased with the result. wifey is not too happy about the lost yearon the honey do list though.any way, i had almost as much enjoyment building the jigs and rigs neededas the rod and am now looking to build a router/beveler which will hopefully produce near finaltapered strips or at least as closeas i can make one produce. I broused the archives and came up with A JThramers name as someonewho has built such a machine. If he is still active on the list, hopefullyhe will help me out with somedetails. I was unable to get his e'mail add. any one out there with infoon how i could hook up with himor on some info on such a machine would be a great help. thanks Hutch from b2g@jps.net Thu Nov 30 22:12:24 2000 eB14COG22816 Subject: PU Glue Organization: Badges 2 Go This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C05B11.2161C0C0 To all list members, Sorry to beat the glue subject into the ground. The other day I was at =Woodcraft's the other day and I decided to get the opinion of one of the =salesmen's on the use of the Gorilla Glue they supply. Lucky the =salesmen I talked mentioned that his father was a builder of bamboo rods =and so he had a knowledge of the building process. When I inquired of =him about this glue he stated that for normal gluing this glue is one of =the best and has excellent tensile strength. But when it comes to sheer =strength this glue lacks in that category and he felt that after a short =time the rod would delaminate its self as the finished rod is used. =Kind of got a bit confused since a builder I know has build a few rods =using this glue and even suggested to me to use it as well. Anyway what =does everyone think about the statement from the salesmen? He, also =classified all other PU glues like Tightbond in to the same category of =lacking in sheer strength and told me to stick with using Resorcinol. I =know that there is a lot of builders out there that really love their PU =glue and I didn't want to post this on the list stir up the battle of =the glues. Thanks, Robert H. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C05B11.2161C0C0 To all list members, Sorry to beat the glue subject into the= get the opinion of one of the salesmen's on the use of the Gorilla Glue = builder of bamboo rods and so he had a knowledge of the building = When I inquired of him about this glue he stated that for normal gluing = comes to sheer strength this glue lacks in that category and he felt = = the same category of lacking in sheer strength and told me to stick with = love their PU glue and I didn't want to post this on the list stir = battle of the glues. Thanks, RobertH. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C05B11.2161C0C0-- from Troutgetter@aol.com Thu Nov 30 22:55:22 2000 eB14tMG23435 Subject: Re: Navidad virus. David,I was in the same fix as John. Thanks to you taking the time to post the download from mcafee, I can now squeak another few months (I hope!) frommy 486. Thanks again for your help.Mike ShayMike's Bamboo Rod ShopMontclair, CA from grau@buchlang.com Thu Nov 30 23:04:49 2000 eB154mG23562 Subject: Drilling holes in stel planing forms This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C05B59.B3C939A0 Freinds tried to drill holes in my steel planing form without success. i used a =hss- drill, seems not to work - which one must be used? regards Stefan ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C05B59.B3C939A0 Freinds tried to drill holes in my steel planing form = i used a hss-drill, seems not to work - which one must be =used? regards Stefan